tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post1366783798921433301..comments2024-03-26T22:57:21.033+00:00Comments on Random Views: The trump, trump, trump of repressive bootsDavid Beesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00393977902379776532noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-11656301968373549902016-11-10T10:55:55.924+00:002016-11-10T10:55:55.924+00:00They have every right to think what they like. As ...They have every right to think what they like. As I have every right to differ from them and say so.<br /><br />You use the word 'courage'. It takes courage to say certain things that are out of tune with popular thinking, such as "your economic difficulties are not caused by immigration". But it's not courageous to say, or even think, something like "our values are being undermined by the fact that blacks are being favoured over us". That statement, which isn't true but <i>is</i> believed by many, shows no courage. It shows only the common desire to scapegoat, to express fear and hatred instead of reason and inclusiveness, and fully deserves its label – bigotry.<br /><br />You realise, don't you, that freedom of speech is not and should not be an unlimited right? It's an old object example, but a good one: freedom of speech does not grant the right to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre, if there is no fire. Equally, society is entirely justified is barring certain forms of the use of speech: libel, slander, conspiracy and, above all, incitement.<br /><br />Trump has said many things that at least come close to the textbook definition of incitement, or even stop over the line right into it. The fact that many agree with him tells me a great deal about him, and them, but in no way puts me under an obligation to concur.David Beesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393977902379776532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-80215185104576049062016-11-10T09:27:21.722+00:002016-11-10T09:27:21.722+00:00In your opinion. Many might say their right to th...In your opinion. Many might say their right to think, say or do certain things has been denied increasingly over recent years. We live more and more in a world where a supposedly named political correctness tells people, you can't say that, you can't do that and you can't even think that. It's those individuals who now feel empowered to actually have the courage to say what they think and feel and there are a lot of them. We need a far more inclusive style of government that accepts and manages these alternative view points, if we don't I feel very strong and feuding positions will be increasingly adopted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-2423503674981145002016-11-10T08:37:39.467+00:002016-11-10T08:37:39.467+00:00Democracy does not require me to accept the view o...Democracy <i>does not</i> require me to accept the view of the majority – only the right of the majority to govern. Indeed, democracy requires the majority to accept my right to oppose it. In every democratic country there is therefore a legal, tolerated loyal opposition, even supported by public funds (as in Britain). <br /><br />I think the wave will continue to surge across a number of countries, but I think a few will stand fast for decent, tolerant, generous attitudes. Germany may be one of them; Spain I feel may be another.<br /><br />Listening to the concerns of people is naturally crucial. It seems superfluous to say that. But you seem to be suggesting that listening to their concerns is tantamount to accepting their views. We do listen to, say, the concerns of Northern England; we should do more to address them; but we have no obligation whatever to accept the view of those in Northern England who claim that the problem is caused by immigration. It isn't and trying to tackle the problem that way is (a) a diversion from the real issue which is the destruction of the industrial base, and (b) a corrosive attack on the values of community which the region most needs to foster. <br /><br />Again, as a democrat I'm not obliged to accept another man's view, only to support his right to hold it himself. And in trying to help him, I don't need to adopt his suggested approach. The drug addict begs for his drug, but I don't have to go along with him if I want to help him, do I?<br /><br />If a view is mistaken, nothing in democracy requires me to adopt it.<br /><br />In any case, it wasn't a majority that supported Trump. For the second time in five elections, a Republican has been elected president on a minority of the popular vote.David Beesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393977902379776532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-65247142553655175202016-11-09T21:38:29.515+00:002016-11-09T21:38:29.515+00:00Open minded attitudes you say, and your own is? Ho...Open minded attitudes you say, and your own is? However to all who hear it, it reads as hugely predudice if it's not seen from your view point. The interesting question is why has this majority change in public attitude happened. If you are able to acknowledge this you may be on the way to understanding it and starting to be in a position to influence it, until then you may as well bang your head against a brick wall. To be honest the chances are the change in public attitude and confidence will probably spread especially through the better off European nations, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy and others. When politicians listen to the people who voted them in and understand the genuine concerns of ordinary working people as opposed to the liberal leftist views of a middle class elitist we may start to progress. The view of a majority is a defining view, it may be right it may be wrong but if you refuse it you have just stated you have no respect for any form of democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com