tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post8359201667595811882..comments2024-03-26T22:57:21.033+00:00Comments on Random Views: Where sex is linked with obligation. And gratitudeDavid Beesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00393977902379776532noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-78292519058089724932011-10-03T21:24:43.773+01:002011-10-03T21:24:43.773+01:00With respect - and with respect to the obrigado/ob...With respect - and with respect to the obrigado/obrigada issue, my advice is: When you are in a hole etc ...<br /><br />SanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-45420069671098135622011-10-03T12:51:33.211+01:002011-10-03T12:51:33.211+01:00Hi San
I do.
Hi Julio
In most languages, at lea...Hi San<br /><br />I do.<br /><br />Hi Julio<br /><br />In most languages, at least the ones I've come across, there is no gender distinction in expressing thanks. So the only mildly curious thing about Portuguese is that there is - I wouldn't claim this as in any way an earth-shattering discovery, but just sufficient to support a facetious blog post...<br /><br />On your comment about 'Much obliged' - I think that's the point I'm making - gratitude puts you under an obligation, but most languages (including English) don't express gratitude that way - they offer thanks, a gesture to the other party, rather than talking about themselves.<br /><br />And yes of course, if you're talking about yourself, then in a language with grammatical gender, there is a high likelihood that you are going to have to agree your expression with yourself. Again, this may not be that significant, but I think it can be argued that the presence of gender in the very form of language must have some influence on attitudes. 'Gracias', 'thanks', 'Danke', 'grazie', 'Kudasai' are all neutral. 'Obrigada' is not.<br /><br />Perhaps all this is just a curiosity, but what's the matter with indulging mild curiosity?<br /><br />Yes, we loved Portugal. And are no enjoying Andalucia.<br /><br />Keep well<br /><br />DavidDavid Beesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393977902379776532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-89898865719904953732011-10-01T16:42:50.080+01:002011-10-01T16:42:50.080+01:00Hi David!! In this entry I found some things I ju...Hi David!! In this entry I found some things I just don't understand completely. May I quote and comment you?<br /><br /><i>"So it’s been fascinating to discover how something as simple as gratitude is handled in Portugal. Firstly, you don’t offer thanks in this country – you declare yourself to be under an obligation. ‘Obrigado’, I would say. It’s probably quite a good way of thinking of things – gratitude is an obligation, isn’t it?"</i><br /><br />Well, I guess it's the exact same thing with the english expression: "Much obliged"<br /><br /><i>"Interestingly, Danielle would have to describe herself as obrigada. Being an adjective the word agrees with the gender of the subject."</i><br /><br />How else could it have been?<br /><br /><i>"So a Portuguese woman expresses her thanks, and therefore her sense of obligation, differently from men."</i><br /><br />Here is where I really don't get it...differently? How is "obrigado" different from "obrigada" apart from the logical gender suffix? I don't think there's anything to determine here.<br /><br /><br />Sorry, your son knows how pedantic I can be sometimes...anyway, how are you liking Portugal?<br /><br />JulioJC Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792139767122755899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-71645307579282914052011-10-01T13:43:56.479+01:002011-10-01T13:43:56.479+01:00The new format looks much more attractive.
Keep bl...The new format looks much more attractive.<br />Keep blogging<br /><br />sanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7520303675367700778.post-89365984442184327632011-10-01T13:42:19.901+01:002011-10-01T13:42:19.901+01:00Who says that Jules et Jim is Truffaut's maste...Who says that Jules et Jim is Truffaut's masterpiece?<br /><br />sanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com